evolutionists/athiests please give your oppinion on this?

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Evolution harmonizes with atheism and kindred false theories. This raises a presumption against its truth, as falsehood does not agree with the truth. It is reconcilable with infidelity and atheism, but not with Christianity. Many, like Prof. Coulter, of the Chicago University, endeavor to show that evolution is reconcilable with religion---and he does show that it harmonizes with the religion of deism or infidelity. No one doubts that evolution harmonizes with atheism or the religion of Thomas Paine. But why should we be anxious to reconcile it with Christianity, when there is so little truth to support it?

Many evolutionists are atheists. Some believe in the eternity of matter. This can not be. Both mind and matter can not be eternal. Mind controls matter; and not matter, mind. Hence the mind of God created matter.

Some believe the universe came into being by its own power, though that can not be. Power or force cannot create itself. It must be attached directly or indirectly to a person. No force can be disconnected from its cause. Detached force is unthinkable. All force in the universe can be traced to God. Much of the physical power of the earth can be traced to the sun, storms, cataracts, steam, electricity, and the sun gets its power from God. Gravitation, extensive as the universe, is but the power of God in each case.

The total force in the universe is beyond calculation. It is a part of the power of Almighty God. It approaches infinity. All heat is convertible into power, and power into heat. Heat, when converted into power, moves the mighty engines. The power of Niagara may be converted into heat and light. The sun had lifted the waters of the whole Niagara River, and the lakes far above the Falls. Its power is enormous. It lifts up over 1,000,000,000,000 tons of water to the clouds every day--more than all the rivers and streams pour into the seas. The sun equals in size a pile of more than a million worlds like ours. Every square yard of surface of this enormous sphere, has enough heat to push a great liner across the sea--as much power as in many tons of coal. The amount of heat in the surface of the sun, consisting of more than 2,284,000,000,000 sq. miles, can hardly be imagined. The heat of one sq. mile (3,097,600 sq. yards.) would drive 3,000,000 ships across the sea--150 times as many as are afloat. More than 2,200,000,000 times as much heat as the earth receives, goes out into space. And this enormous amount of heat is but a poor fraction of the heat of 400,000,000 suns, few of which are so small as ours.

A single star, Betelgeuse, has recently been computed to be 5,000,000 miles in diameter, and therefore larger than 10,000,000 suns like ours. A still more recent computation shows stars even larger. Antares is 390,000,000 mi. in diameter, equal to 91,125,000 suns, or 136,687,500,000,000 worlds. If our sun were in the centre of this sun, it would extend beyond the orbit of Mars. Alpha Hercules is 300,000,000 mi. in diameter. Some stars are so far away that it takes light 60,000 years to reach us, at the rate of 186,000 mi. in a second. Some say there are 400,000,000 enormous suns. Compute, if you can, the sum total of the power causing the light and heat, and the power of gravitation controlling these vast swarms of stars. All this power is the power of God, and a weak fraction of the total. This power could not originate itself. It could not grow. It could not come by evolution. It could not come by chance.

The doctrine of the Conservation of Force, accepted by scientists, proves that no part of force can be lost. A God of infinite power is required to create, maintain and control this vast universe. Force can no more create itself than matter. God must create and preserve both. It takes almighty power to maintain the universe in existence, as well as to create it.

If atheism be true, then, if there was even one germ to start with, as most admit, it must have created itself, unless the absurd claim that it came from another world, riding on a meteorite, be entertained. If such a foolish assumption were possible, it would require a God to create it in another world.

"The fool hath said in his heart, 'No God'" Some translators would supply the words omitted by the Hebrew, and make it read: "The fool bath said in his heart, 'There is no God'." Others, "The fool bath said in his heart, 'I wish there were no God.'" It is hard to tell which is the bigger fool, the man who refuses to see the countless evidences of design, proving His existence; or the man who refuses to see the terrible wreck of the great universe, and the awful chaos that would result if there were no God. We can imagine only one greater fool than as many as are afloat. More than 2,200,000,000 times as much heat as the earth receives, goes out into space. n this enormous amount of heat is but a poor fraction of the heat of 400,000,000 suns, few of which are so small as ours.

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Answer 1

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Answer 2

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My opinion: This is a long winded argument amounting to "There is a lot of stuff on an immense scale, therefore God must exist." Based on assumptions, misinterpretations and a blind faith which places all of the world's ills on the people less responsible than those you would defend.



1: "Mind controls matter"; Wrong, matter is what makes up the mind. The mind is generated from impulses in a lump of organic matter (the brain) so therefore matter must come first. In order to make your statement work you have to start from the assumption of a god and then hand wave away everything else. Forgetting of course that any being, in order to be a being, would have to be made of either matter or energy which are interchangeable. Essentially, no matter how you look at it, energy and (by definition) therefore matter must have come before a mind.



2: Origins "Power or force can not create itself". Largely true but it doesn't have to. "Infinity" is a product of time, time requires regular natural laws to apply which, in a singularity, they do not. Therefore the concepts of time and infinity do not exist. Alternatively, you can go to quantum fluctuations which can generate particles. As far as a god is concerned, they would need to create themselves first as well. They would also have to be able to create energy/matter, an impossibility and/or completely ignore the effects of entropy. This is where you fall into the classic "it's big and powerful so God must have done it". As for force, gravity is a product of mass (i.e matter). In addition, as you say "It takes almighty power to create and preserve the universe" so if there were a god, they clearly would be losing the battle for preservation as the universe is slowly but surely dying.



3. Your grasp of the concepts of atheism and evolution are also found lacking. Atheism is merely the lack of belief in a deity, it is not a theory or belief in itself. As for evolution "It could not come by evolution" when referring to the origin of stars is completely true, do you know why? It's because the theory of evolution has nothing to say about the formation of stars. It has nothing to do with the origin of life. It is purely and simply a mechanism for explaining the diversity of life.



4. "if there was even one germ to start with, as most admit, it must have created itself" Not even close, you still cling to the concept of creation rather than formation, an important distinction. Creation hamstrings thought so people think that things must have appeared fully formed. Otherwise we are free to speculate about the formation of organic molecules (carbon chains) combining into RNA and DNA and eventually producing life. Do we know everything? No of course not and no one claims to, but because we don't know now it doesn't mean that we will never know. Also no, spontaneous generation is not the same thing at all, that is the result of trying to explain formation using the concept of creation.



5. Design: Do you see animal shapes in clouds or just generally things recognisable as everyday objects? Do you ever see things that really should not be there in patterns? These are products of imagination. The human mind is very good at seeing things which are not there, the belief that you can see design in natural systems is the same principle. In fact it is something that in reality can only be seen by people with a pre-emptive conclusion that there is a creator.



I think these are the major points, the rest of what you've written is mostly rambling about the percentages of students and academics who do not believe in the Christian god. A final thought for you though. Assuming that there is a creator god, there is no reason for it to be the Christian one. How many religions have there been throughout human history? All of them must share between them the tiny probability that the creator god would be one already thought of by humans. In itself a fairly unlikely thing.



Oh and by the way, this is not the right section for that question. I believe you want religion and spirituality.



(I apologise for any spelling and grammatical errors.)

Answer 4

Flawed and with alot of presumptions with no evidence to support them.



"Compute, if you can, the sum total of the power causing the light and heat, and the power of gravitation controlling these vast swarms of stars. All this power is the power of God, and a weak fraction of the total. This power could not originate itself. It could not grow. It could not come by evolution. It could not come by chance."



Why not?



The question of what started everything is a powerful one. Sure, some people believe that there must have beena God who started it all, but there's no evidence to support this. Just because it hasn't been explained yet doesn't mean there will never be an explanation. Alot of things which used to be explained as "there must be god doing this" have, over the last 1000 years or so, been explained without the use of the word "god" by science. I have no reason to doubt that scientists will keep explaining things. I'm more likely to believe the work of a scientist than an old book where many parts have already been proven false.

There's even less evidence to support the existance of a god today.



What you have put on this website today makes no difference to this. I'm not going to suddenly go "oh, well ok, there must be a god" and convert because you say things like "it could not come by chance" without an explanation. Things happen by chance every day.



There's alot out there that hasn't been explained yet but to me it seems silly to just explain that as "god did it". I like to expand my knowlege, not just leave gaps blank and supress the knowlege of others by telling them that god is the reason for all unexplained things. Will everything be explained in my lifetime? Probably not. It doesn't matter.





edit: how about the possibility that there was a god who started it all but there isn't anymore? equally possible. not something i believe personally, but it's possible. I don't know how the universe began and i don't need to, it doesn't matter. When there's a good and logical explanation i'll read into it and believe it if it makes sense. I'm not one for illogical answers.



just because there is no explanation for how it all started doesn't mean there won't be. by all means believe what you want but don't go around trying to tell people who want to wait for an answer, or search for an answer rather than accept something blindly that they're wrong.



edit2: "No one has a moral right to believe what is false, much less to teach it, under the specious plea of freedom of thought." so this is actually what i'm saying, except a bit more harsh. I think you have the right to believe what you want, if you want to believe in something that can not be proved then by all means do! Teach it to people if you want. However in the context of this article it's actually dangerous. It's basically saying that people should be closed minded and not bother to learn more about the universe, how it works, etc.. To say people have no moral right to be educated is idiotic. Not many people will disagree with this.



Oh and the bit about someone dying at the hands of two atheists - that can't be defended and i'm sad to hear of it. The majority of atheists are kind people who wouldn't hurt or kill anyone. However, compare one person killed at the hands of two atheists to the millions killed in the name of other religions. Even in modern times, the iraq war has killed alot of innocent people, and alot of innocent troops, started by a man who claims that god and jesus are on his side. Look at all the conflicts in the world - the majority of them are over religion.



I'm not going to argue with this close-minded article any further. For an atheist to read this and convert would be terrible, but unlikely because I don't think there are any atheists who would blindly believe such an article without any evidence what-so-ever. All the best.

Answer 5

But why should we be anxious to reconcile it with Christianity, when there is so little truth to support it.



There is ZERO evidence, or truth, to support Christianity - one is just supposed to have faith, and believe the impossible occurred, repeatedly, and that the Bible is the instruction manual to life even though cold hard scientific facts are available to prove otherwise. I think the above is right, just not as you intended it to be read.



If atheism be true, then, if there was even one germ to start with, as most admit, it must have created itself, unless the absurd claim that it came from another world, riding on a meteorite, be entertained. If such a foolish assumption were possible, it would require a God to create it in another world.



Replace atheism with Christianity, and germ with God, and you will see why many people are skeptics. If the almighty God could create himself as Christians would have us believe, why not a little measly germ?



Bottom line, not one of us truly knows how we came to be. Who's to say who is right? We just don't know, and IMHO any person who stubbornly insists that their way is THE way, with blind faith as their righteous fuel, with total disregard to any facts that may point to another option, that person is the fool.

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What's the question supposed to be?

Answer 8

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get some material of your own, huh?....



I've reported such, but need another report, please?....